tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post9002173954309808363..comments2008-08-25T11:37:19.402+07:00Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-42150846036883318082008-01-10T14:11:34.888+07:002008-01-10T14:11:34.888+07:00lawyurs are awsume. they r so much better at pokher becuze they are the smartest peeple arownd, and can trikk juryz and gudges that ar stoopid.<BR/><BR/>Or you can take the better route and be a corporate lawyer.<BR/><BR/>But what do I know, I'm just a dumb IT director.<BR/><BR/>(surely you expected this response, or at least a few similar ones)NumbBonohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11388340372806618686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-59112290600318920062008-01-10T09:41:44.763+07:002008-01-10T09:41:44.763+07:00This is why i wrote the post. I wanted a lawyer poker blogger to follow-up with details on why and spark further thoughts. I feared it had gone away, but you brought it back. I appreciate that.<BR/><BR/>My friends who are attorneys are some of the most interesting folks to hang out with and just shoot the shit with. Always a story to tell. All you have to do is spend an hour with Jordan - or read some of his lawyery posts - to be hooked. I realize there are some toad lawyers out there, but as far as I'm concerned I've been around some coolios. It seems of those coolios, many have made there way to poker. I don't think that is by mistake.<BR/><BR/>Most of us all have learned something in our profession along the way. If we can take just a portion of what we've learned and use it to exploit others in a poker game, we are just doing what nature calls. Be it a lawyer, financial advisor, car salesman or whatever.<BR/><BR/>Thanks Hoy.TripJaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02883671728514946477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-48175289085550421462008-01-10T05:48:55.297+07:002008-01-10T05:48:55.297+07:00I suspect the parallels between poker and lawyering are far more readily observed when compared to trial litigation, if for no other reason than the variance that jury trials bring to the equation.<BR/><BR/>I know of at least two lawyers in my firm who have played the WSOP (one went out to Johnny Chan on a river 3-outer), though neither blogs. But there are at least as many non-lawyers at my firm (myself included), who either blog, play pokerz, or both.Mondogaragehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03023431901646281284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-86192060397445951462008-01-10T05:29:27.814+07:002008-01-10T05:29:27.814+07:00Vinnay, a good question. If I ever do a bunch of bad contracts in a row I will let you know the results.<BR/><BR/>In the end, the reason this doesn't happen is that kicking ass as a corporate lawyer is about 90% within my control. In poker, however, in particular in something like a blonkament, it is probably closer to 50% the luck of the cards. So I never do a bad job in a string of contracts since I can control that myself for the most part, and as a result I've never had the chance to experience Hoy Lawyer Tilt. Though I wouldn't want to experience it, if it did exist....Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-25303054743863345522008-01-10T04:39:43.090+07:002008-01-10T04:39:43.090+07:00Ok, I see the parallels, but I have a question for you Hoy. And this is meant as a serious question, not a joke. What happens if you lose a bunch of cases in a row, or get the bum deal of a bunch contracts, etc. Is there super Hoy Lawyering Tilt? I suspect that there isn't.<BR/><BR/>If not, why is that? Is there something you do differently while lawyering than while playing cards? <BR/><BR/>Is it because lawyering is much less of a game of hidden information, so the variance is low? If that's the case, I might question some of your assumptions on the parallels. <BR/><BR/>Or, maybe you do go the fuck off on people at work or on opposing councils....VinNayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16482851362323049024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-80471546834840923182008-01-10T04:25:49.684+07:002008-01-10T04:25:49.684+07:00What happens when you feed a lawyer Viagra? He gets taller.<BR/><BR/>A guy walks into a bar and says loudly, "All lawyers are assholes!" A guy at the bar looks over and angrily replies, "Hey! I take exception to that!" The first guy asks, "Why? Are you a lawyer?" The second guy replies, "No, I'm an asshole!"<BR/><BR/>Okay, can we move on now?HighOnPokerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12831176156389777158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-33889076084265986162008-01-10T03:55:51.652+07:002008-01-10T03:55:51.652+07:00Mookie, I am in. 3 months worth of Mookie buyins to whichever one of the two of us wins the Mookie first during 2008 from the loser. Done!Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-38296154892994316422008-01-10T03:53:28.779+07:002008-01-10T03:53:28.779+07:00oh man...i hit the motherload<BR/><BR/>http://www.vakilno1.com/lawriddles.htmlsmokkeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13494763585388001041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-88171818998784995822008-01-10T03:50:28.662+07:002008-01-10T03:50:28.662+07:00how do you save a drowning lawyer?smokkeehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13494763585388001041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-58166326868735221532008-01-10T03:07:52.366+07:002008-01-10T03:07:52.366+07:00I don't think we have the stats to know just how many of us are (like me) wandering hobos.Julius_Goathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01265326822534167730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-46665362142857518752008-01-10T03:04:41.771+07:002008-01-10T03:04:41.771+07:00Couldn't it just be that the ratio of writing and analyzing to doing is greater for us lawyers than for other professions?The Litvakhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17216819729252643847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-18866010553552093762008-01-10T02:52:53.657+07:002008-01-10T02:52:53.657+07:00I missed Trip's original post but it got me to thinking. I wonder if there are more lawyers or people from the securities industry (brokers, traders, etc.) in poker? Some investment firms use poker to test how people deal with risk and how they analyze situations.<BR/><BR/>Seems most of the blog crew is involved in tech or law.StBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01363699522256218332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-49192164311798592072008-01-10T02:46:40.631+07:002008-01-10T02:46:40.631+07:00Hoy, I think you are correct that the skill-sets overlap, but that doesn't necessarily explain why there are a disproportionate amount of poker bloggers who are lawyers. To me, its about the nexus of poker and blogging, both of which are things that are attractive to lawyers. Lawyers generally are competitive, hence the attraction to poker. The finer details you mention are factors, but its the overall competitive nature that is the major impetus that attracts lawyers to poker. Lawyers are also learned, opinionated AND narcissistic, so that attracts lawyers to blogging. <BR/><BR/>I would say that there is probably a disproportionate amount of lawyers with poker blogs, but not a disproportionate amount of lawyers among poker players generally. Those are two very different concepts.HighOnPokerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12831176156389777158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-34458838767946705572008-01-10T02:39:29.690+07:002008-01-10T02:39:29.690+07:00Love me some good lawyer jokes...<BR/><BR/>Mookie prop bet...I'm in, sounds good, but how about 3 months worth of Mookie buy-ins? That way we can also setup the other prop bet with Chad. <BR/><BR/>"Can I somehow get in on this prop bet? I propose that whoever WINS has to buy the other two into the MOOKIE for a month! That way even when one of us FINALLY WINS THIS LOTTO it still feels like we got kicked in the junk! I heart misery"<BR/><BR/>So what do you think?mookie99http://www.blogger.com/profile/18212709677580623703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-86491926587587958052008-01-10T02:20:43.899+07:002008-01-10T02:20:43.899+07:00Well said, CK, agreed on all counts. I did touch on that but not directly state it as such, and I agree 100% about that skill being very applicable in lawyering and in pokering. Again am I just surprised that no one out of 20 commenters pointed this out in Trip's post a few weeks back to begin with.Hammer Player a.k.a Hoyazohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17031535857121915911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-56738566655803235152008-01-10T01:59:36.939+07:002008-01-10T01:59:36.939+07:00Chad - A good start?<BR/><BR/><BR/>It's because lawyers are all bloodsuckers who thrive on the pain of others, just like good poker players.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I'll let you guess if I'm kidding or not.pokerpeakerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08837529956827141862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-77895827357696916892008-01-10T01:45:53.040+07:002008-01-10T01:45:53.040+07:00Hoy,<BR/><BR/>Nice post. One thing that I would add, which I think you touched on in several places but didn't directly address, is that lawyers need to know how to steer people to the desired result. Sometimes, that is through aggressiveness. Sometimes, that is through bluffing. Sometimes, that is through cogent argument. Regardless of the tactic, lawyers (particularly in our world of negotiating contracts) have to understand how to manage people and situations. And the dynamic of those situations is ever-shifting, so the ability to react quickly and, often times, creatively, is a crucial part of what I do on a daily basis. As lawyers, we are trained to employ an arsenal of skills, depending on context. You may see me taking a hardball stance with one party, but turn around and take a more cooperative stance with another party. Often times, this occurs within the context of the same transaction.BWoPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02934781459474787598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-28371707330847010262008-01-10T01:27:29.208+07:002008-01-10T01:27:29.208+07:00What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of a river?Chad Chttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14771856744998773711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12285847.post-73032863560498845162008-01-10T01:23:29.449+07:002008-01-10T01:23:29.449+07:00Sorry, new tot his game. I'd say lawyers play poker because they are used to sitting around for hours wasting time doing not much of anything.CChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10777389833765857820noreply@blogger.com