Saturday, June 27, 2009

Vegas, Day Two

Had an absolutely atrocious cash game session today, losing a little over $300 at 1-2 at the MGM but having a fun time sitting with Chad, CK and even Blinders for the last few hours. But my cards were so awful, words can barely describe it. Over about 8 hours of cash game play, I received no AA, no KK, one QQ (which lost to CK's K5s), one JJ (which lost to Chad's AQ), and one TT (which lost to KJo). One AK which I won with a reraise before the flop. And I literally did not hit a single flop on the night. I must have seen (or known they were out there) maybe 15 or 20 flopped sets at my table during that time, but I literally -- no exaggeration -- did not flop top pair even a single time over 8 hours of play, let alone a set. Actually, that's not entirely true -- earlier in the afternoon I flopped broadway with JTs on an AKQ board. I bet the flop and got called by a guy who obviously had top pair or two pairs. The turn was a Jack, I bet and got called again, and then the river brought a lovely Ten, putting broadway on the board and giving me the split for my efforts. And sadly, that right there was the literal highlight of my entire 8-hour session -- getting uberfucked and splitting a pot at the river. Fun times.

I don't recall ever having this tremendously bad luck after the flop in addition to perhaps the worst run of starting cards in my entire poker history. Getting so few playable hands over 8 hours, I ended up making some stoopid river calls of medium-sized bets because I simply couldn't bring myself to lay down the three good hands I was dealt all day long. It sucked so hard, right now I'm siting here thinking that I might not even feel like playing in the World Series tomorrow at noon. There's just nothing like 8 hours of horrible cards, horrible luck and horrible decisions to make you question who you even think you are fooling by dropping 15 hundy on a silly little luck-based card game.

Oh and by the way, putting my lesson from last night into practice on the three good hands I was dealt all day (if you can even call TT and JJ "good"), I raised it up to 20 each time after a couple of limpers -- this is ten times the big blind now, mind you -- and still got called by K5s to lose half a buyin with my Queens, and by AQ to lose half a buyin with my Jacks.

So let's review. A solid 8 hours of play, only one true premium hand in pocket Queens (if you can even call that "premium"), which I raised to 10x, got called by K5s and lost to turn and river Kings. Two "semi-premium" hands in JJ and TT, each of which I also lost after raising it up to 10x the big blind, getting called by KJo and AQo and getting outflopped or out-turned in each. I flopped broadway, bet all three streets and ended up playing broadway on the board for the split. Oh, and I also lost half a buyin against a shorty when I called allin with A2 on an A23 board and learned I was up against A3. And I did not flop top pair even one time the entire night long. Fun times, did I mention that already?

Poker can suck it.

Right now, it feels like my odds of actually playing in the WSOP on Saturday are about 30%. I guess we'll have to see if that changes with a few hours of sleep to help erase the memory of today's pokering from my data banks.

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Thursday, June 21, 2007

Bubble Night, and the Student Becomes the Teacher

Last night was a somewhat frustrating, bubbly night of poker for me, although on the whole I ended positive on the night, thanks once again to another juicy-ass blogger cash table where it seems I can do nothing but win. For some strange reason. Heh heh. But I'll get to that.

After a quick workout and some dinner on Wednesday night, I sat down just in time for the Mookie to start at 10pm ET. The big news was that we cracked the 80 player mark in the Mookie for the first time ever, thanks in no small part to the constant pimpage from Al, as 82 runners came to try their hand in the biggest of the weekly blogger gatherings, as well as the 5th-to-last BBT tournament left on the schedule. I was once again pleased to see a number of people who are near the 20 events played and/or the top 50 on the leaderboard showing up to play, making their attempt to play their way in to the upcoming BBT freeroll at the end of July, so that was all good. I was also very psyched to have Buddydank radio going throughout my entire run in the Mook and Dook, and I have to say that overall that thing just gets better and better with every show. Even if Waffles was a bit of a letdown as far as a guest DJ goes. I guess he maybe got a little better as his appearance wore on, and if Waffles only DJ'd like he blogs the thing woulda been much better, but I don't know, maybe he has radio fright or something. But I am definitely looking forward to some more guest DJ blood in there in coming weeks and I am confident that within a few tries we can find some guys from our crew who would really liven things up on what I still say is the coolest thing to hit the poker blogiverse since...well...whatever the last coolest thing was to hit the poker blogiverse. I fuckin love it.

Oh yeah before I forget, better-late-than-never congratulations are in order to Fuel55, whom I will write some more about later in this post, for winning his way in to the WSOP Main Event earlier this week. I knew about this but kept forgetting to blog it, so there you have it. That is two ME seats won in two years for Mr. Presto, and we can't wait to see how he does in the biggest donkeyfest this side of the nightly 26k on full tilt, or better yet that $11 Rebuy Madness tournament nightly on pokerstars.

Congrats are also in order for MiamiDon, who ran all the way to day two and his first final table in the Venetian $540 deep stack mtt, which is impressive not only on its own merits but also because the structure of this event basically turned the entire last several hours into just push-and-pray territory. I've been there, and running deep in an event like that is incredibly draining -- exciting too, no doubt, but it requires a lot of savvy and a ton of mettle to make it that far, including requiring you to make a whole lot of correct decisions in a sea of quetsions all along the way. So wtg Don, who ended the tournament in 9th place out of 536 players, taking down nearly 3 grand for his efforts for what I believe is far and away his largest-ever mtt score. Check back at Don's site later on for a detailed writeup of what this run was like.

OK now that the congratulations to the real winners are out of the way, back to this week's Mookie tournament. I started off playing appropriately tight, building my stack slowly from the 1500 starting level to just under 2000 at the first break, and I was once again very pleased to see a departure from the kind of tightydonkiness that we've seen I think way too much of in these BBT tournaments over the past several weeks, with something like 33 players being eliminated during the first hour of the event. I didn't win or lose any big hands in there, and basically showing and winning with 3 Hammers was the highlight of my tournament to that point (really, all the way through to tell the sad truth). In fact, I don't really have a whole lot to say about the whole tournament last night, other than that I managed to squeak into first place for the first time with 14 players remaining, but then setup coolers on consecutive hands basically crippled me, ending with me out in 10th place and smack on the bubble despite playing a solid, controlled game throughout. That said, much like my Mookie cash from last week (my first cash of the year, remember), I can also admit that I didn't really belong there last night. Although Buddy went far, far overboard with how lucky I got last night during his broadcast, I did hit a 35% straight on the turn to stay alive with around 25 players left, and then again with like 20 players remaining I pushed allin on a preflop reraise with AKs, and cooleringly ran smack into Fishy McDonk's AA, followed by my weekly suckout elimination of Mookie when my AQ beat his AK. Fishy sat for a few seconds too long, even taking the time to type "hmmmmmm" into the chat before slow rolling my ass with his bullets, and for once the pokeranuses dished out the proper reward for such a play, sending me a King on the flop and another on the turn to give me my second suckout of the night. So nearing the late stages of the event I had two massive suckouts to even be alive until the final two tables, so I can't really complain about bubbling and I'm not going to, even though some of the stuff I saw in this event was (typically) really unbelievable.

What was so unbelievable, you might ask? I'll tell you. Basically one thing I really noticed was how spot-on some of my statements from last Friday's post were about some of the top BBT guys in this event. First off, let's get this out of the way: Bayne won another fucking BBT tournament after beating cmitch from a 4.5-to-1 chip deficit in heads-up play to take the Mookie down. But I have got to get this off my chest -- and Bayne hopefully knows that I love him -- but goddammit Bayne was such a calling station last night that it exceeded even the wildest exaggerations of the statements I made about him in my post from last week. I mean, I could not believe what I saw Bayne call with last night. Let's just say this, I sat with Bayne for maybe a total of one hour through various stages of the Mookie last night during my run to a 10th place finish out of 82 players, and in just that one hour, I personally saw Bayne call allin raises before the flop with 55, 99, KJ, A9 and KQ. Now, arguably not one of those hands should have been called with, and certainly all five of those during just one hour of play, it's enough to really frustrate. And then to think that he went on to final table his 11th BBT tournament, basically a full one-third of the total events now that he has reached the final table in, and eventually to win the entire thing, after playing like that, it almost brings tears to my eyes. But you know what, as bloggers we deserve to be being dominated by a guy who makes plays like this. It's fitting I think. And oh yeah, way to go Bayne, you rock. Hah.

Also along the lines of my post from the other day, I didn't get to play at all with Iggy on the night for a change, but I did manage to open his table just in time to see some clown donkeyspew him their entire stack on a recockulous bluff. Why do you people keep forcing your chips down Iggy's throat? I just don't get it. Here I am winning about half of the pots I won last night by playing the Hammer for a raise or a reraise, and meanwhile donkeys are fucking begging Iggy to take their entire stacks. Begging him! Is it because he's a dwarf? Because if it is, let me tell you I know Iggy, and he does not want any special treatment just because of his height-challenged status. So don't let that be the reason anymore. Doesn't he do well enough in these tournaments already as it is, without you fewls spewing chips at him like it's your job? Please.

And I think my favorite thing from yesterday given what I had written about last week was Astin, whom I had the fortune of sitting with at my starting table, where I got to watch the worst hand he received in the entire first orbit be A6o. That was the worst starting hand he saw in the first 10 hands of the Mookie last night. Sick, that luckbox. Again, I probably didn't play with Astin for more than 45 minutes or so the entire night -- while he was on his way to a very impressive 4th-place finish to further solidify his own dominating top-ten BBT performance btw -- but in just the 45 minutes or so that we sat together, I personally saw him play and show AA, AA, KK, KK and KK. All in just 45 minutes. Who knows how many other monster hands this luckbox got in the entirety of the tournament. Obviously he did what he had to do with them and like I said, you can't argue with the guy who has consistently beat up on the rest of us clowns in BBT play this year, but dammit it is annoying seeing the same guys get more than their share of premium starting hands, and hitting more than their share of flops hard, week in and week out, while you're struggling just to win small pots with the Hammer, and losing even when you flop trips, straights and similar hands. Fuck, what can you do.

Anyways, I ended up bubbling the Mookie in 10th place when the top 9 paid out when I made a good allin push from the button but just ran into a setup against a better hand, and I also ended up getting nailed by two recockulous suckouts against Lucko to bust out of the Dookie in 4th place, also the money bubble (but hey this was O8 so I suppose I can't really complain since I don't know how to play that game, right?). So I'm left feeling like I played really great poker in the Mook n Dook last night, but with precisely nothing to show for it. Fun times.

What was really fun as always was the $200 nl ring cash game that we set up sometime during the Mookie with a bunch of bloggers. Although I started off losing around half a buyin, mostly because someone donked Fuel a bunch of chips and then Fuel just started betting and raising with nothing every single hand. I mean, I guess when you are used to losing $5000 or $10,000 a night playing like a donkey, what is losing $200 or $500 to a bunch of bloggers going to mean to you? You probably hardly even realize that money is gone, when you're making regular daily deposits of 10k just to fund your online cash game play, right? So once somebody staked this guy to a big stack early, Fuel just called with ATC on almost every hand, and then he just bet, bet and bet some more, throwing in some raises for good measure, and since the money means more to the rest of us than it does to him at this level, he got most of us to fold all night long. But this also helped me to set up the hand of the night, which I'm going to describe here, in which I actually got to use Fuel's own move -- the massive overbet for value -- against him. Hence the second part of the title of today's post.

Basically, Fuel had been pushing me and everyone else at the table around big-time once he had amassed around $500 at our $200 max-buyin table. As I mentioned, he bet with nothing on every single street and there was nothing we could do about it but fold unless we had big hands, which as you know simply doesn't happen that often. Finally at one point I find 33 in the small blind, and am able to limp in to see a cheap flop, which Fuel in the big blind just calls as well. The flop comes T63 with two clubs, giving me my only flopped set of the night. Now, despite the hideous luck I've had with flopped sets over the past week or so in online cash play, I'm still not going to change the way I play these things, which normally means I bet out with my flopped sets. But not here. In this case, I had shown no strength before the flop, and neither had Fuel by just checking his option from the big blind. Given that, I figured that even the slightest bet was likely to be folded by Fuel since he probably had nothing. And, I figured if I got lucky and he happened to have a Ten with some raggy kicker, a loose-calling maniac at this table like Fuel would likely pay me off, moreso on later streets if I showed weakness by checking now. So you know what I did? I insta-checked this flop. Like, I had shit and didn't feel like bothering with even trying to act like I might have something here:



Fuel surprised me just a tiny bit by insta-checking back, and I mean insta as in he checked it back to me right fucking away, like he had already clicked the "autofold" button on his side. This made me glad I hadn't bet out with my flopset there on this particular flop.

The turn card then brought a really beautiful card, the 10♠. This not only gave me a totally hidden full house, but it also paired the top card on the board, so in case Fuel had been slowplaying top pair there (I was a bit surprised he hadn't bet the flop after I checked, given how recklessly aggro he had been playing at this table for the past hour or so), he now had trips. And the turn also put a second spade on the board, creating two flush draws as well, both of which I already had beat even if they filled on the river. I figured my best chance at this point of making anything at all with this hand was to check it again, so I insta-checked as soon as this turn card fell, again giving the impression that I didn't have squat, and wasn't happy about the turn card being what it was:



Fuel instantly checked it back to me again. At this point I had to put the guy on some kind of a hand here, which was great for me since I was sitting on the near-nuts with my unknowable boat. As I said, Fuel had been playing like an aggro maniac for the last hour or more, ever since obtaining his bigass stack at this table, and for him to check both the flop and the turn here, and to do so instantly, I had to figure he had some piece of this board. Which was great for me. So, when the river card came down a harmless-looking 2, I considered my options:

If Fuel actually did have nothing, which I highly doubted given the action so far, then if I checked here he was going to check back and I was going to win a whole $3.80 with my flopped set and turned full house. Bad outcome. Similarly, if he has nothing and I bet, he's going to fold, again leading me only to win the $3.80 in the pot. Basically, if Fuel's got nothing then it doesn't matter one bit whether I bet or how much I bet, I'm not winning anything on this strong hand in that case.

If Fuel actually has something, it would have to be trip Tens or he was not likely to call much of a bet from me. I mean, the full pot at this point was less than $4, so how much could I reasonably expect him to call from me if he has a hand like, say, pocket 4s or pocket 5s? $4 (the full pot)? $8 (twice the current pot, an overbet for the river by any standards)? What about a $20 bet? I determined I think correctly that Fuel would not call anything that would resemble a large bet from me unless he had trip Tens (or better). I mean, both flush draws did not materialize on the turn or river, so he couldn't have a flush. I knew I didn't want to only make $4 or $8 with my very strong hand, and I figured there was a very small chance of me making anything substantial with the hand at this point no matter what I did given the action so far. So, taking everything into account, I took some advice I read most recently in Sklansk'y No-Limit Holdem: Theory and Practice book, and I opted to bet the pot as if Fuel might happen to have something strong.

Again, the thinking here is very simple. If he's got nothing, I'm not making jack shit more than $3.80 on this hand, no matter what I do. And if he's got something small, I don't really care about winning another $4 on the hand by betting more than the current pot and getting him to call with a crappy low pocket pair, King-high or something like that. But, with two Tens on the board, I figured there was some chance that he could have hit trip Tens. And if that was the case, given the insta-checking I had done all throughout this hand so far, and given Fuel's incredibly loose play at the table of late, I actually thought he would be likely to call just about any bet I could possibly make on the river on the thinking that his top trips had to be the best hand, and that I was likely just trying to make a move. So, taking all of this into account, I decided to make the move that looked the most donkeyish of anything I could think of, and I did this:



That's right. The massive overbet for value, Fuel's own move, with me sliding $201.50 into the middle to bet the river at a $3.80 pot. I figured the odds here are about 99.5% that he folds of course, but that again if he happened to have a Ten in his hand, he was going to call and I was going to double up. And, since him having a Ten in his hand was my only chance of making a big profit on this hand anyways, why not bet on the assumption that he does have the Ten and try to maximize my profit then? Thank you, David Sklansky.

I was shocked to see Fuel call my recockulous allin overbet at the river. And not just call -- insta-call. I flipped up my cards, Fuel mucked, and the $404 pot came my way:



And well, it turns out I was wrong about Fuel having to have a Ten in his hand in order to make this call too. Check out what he did have:



Dam. Now if that ain't a cooler, I don't know what is. He hit his straight on the river, and probably assumed I was either stealing the pot with a huge donkey overbet, or more likely that I actually was myself slow-playing top pair all along and had made trips, which his rivered straight was going to beat. I noticed the possibility of the straight at the river, but to be perfectly honest I never even really considered that possibility, although it did also fit the way he had played the hand so far perfectly, including explaining why Fuel would not have aggrobet at this flop or the turn like he had in so many other similar situations where his opponents had shown some weakness during the hand.

I do think it is a fun and interesting hand though -- mostly because I was on the winning end of it for a change -- and I think it illustrates an important and actually useful concept in no-limit holdem that as I mentioned David Sklansky also covers in his own book. Sometimes when you have very little chance of winning any kind of worthwhile money with a strong hand, it makes sense to assume your opponent has one of the one or two strong hands that actually could pay you off against your holding, and make your bet according to that assumption. As I mentioned above, your odds of getting paid off on such a large bet are going to be very, very low. But part of the premise here is that your odds of getting paid on the hand are already low, so you're really not giving up as much as you might think by making a move like this in this particular situation. Yes, maybe I gave up the chance that Fuel would pay off a $4 or $6 bet if he had middle pair or King-high or something like that. But I wasn't really interested in that amount. I assumed he could have a monster -- just not quite the monster that I had -- and that he would pay off any size bet if he did. And even though my specific read was wrong, my general read that he actually had something going in his hand was right-on, and I made more than a full buyin from the biggest stack at the table with the play.

Pocket 3s are gold baybeeee!

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Wednesday, June 20, 2007

The Tiltmonkey Returns

Wow. It seems a regular old night at the 1-2 nlh ring tables on full tilt has now led to a two-day (and counting) tilt-bender from another blogger. How much longer will it last? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Ima just buy some popcorn while I sit back and enjoy the show.

A fellow blogger commented to me last night in the girly chat how Tuesday was a whole day full of disputes in the poker blogiverse. I asked this person what they were talking about, and they referred to the silliness on my blog (I didn't realize I was having a fight with anyone, actually, although it seems somebody got pretty tilted, directing the anger mostly at me for some strange reason). This guy then referred to the Waffles - Smokkee thing, which I also didn't see as a big deal. I mean, so Waffles thinks Smokkee's been playing a bit tight recently. Smokkee semi-agrees with that sentiment in his blog, and frankly I would go so far as to say that I have often had a similar reaction when I've been running as bad as Smokkee has lately with his big hands. Then this person also mentioned the Waffles - Chad thing, which was a little bit pissy but still to me nothing worth getting your panties into a twist about. I mean basically, Chad I guess had been typing in "King King King" into the chat when Waffles got allin with 32 players left in the inaugural 50-50 tournament two nights ago on full tilt, when Waffles had an A2 and his opponent had K7 or something like that. The King hit on the river and Waffles was eliminated, and then he had complained in his blog about Chad rooting against him. Now while I'm not saying I would have enjoyed the taunt-chatting or whatever it was in that spot either, in general as far as I'm concerned I'm a firm believer that anybody can say whatever they want in the chat, and it would never bother me. As much as I've tilted only about a million times from poker, in all cases it's been from things that have happened to me with the cards, and/or the incredible luck I've seen go against me after thousands and thousands of hours of online play. But nobody has ever tilted me from the online poker chat in as long as I have played the game, or as long as I ever will play the game. Nobody. Period. If somebody roots against me, so be it. The Waffles we all know and love should not be complaining about that in his blog. He had a great run and played very well in a new tournament, a lot of guys we know were there to see it, and that's that. I don't care if someone was typing "die die die" about me in a tournament I was playing in, it shouldn't and doesn't really matter in my view. I wouldn't complain -- I've had people root against me at the poker tables about 10,000 times since becoming a blogger, and I've managed to gather a ton of haters out there, and I've never complained about it on my blog or even cared about it really. So to me, none of these things from Tuesday were actually big deals, although I will admit it made for some interesting reading throughout the day.

Anyways, I'm still trying to figure out how does someone get so tilted and angry at me from what happened at the cash tables the other night? In fact, as I reviewed all the hand histories and all the screenshots and all the chat, I really don't even know why I became such a focus of scorn for this poor guy. I think it was that hand where I moved allin over the top for 400-some dollars into a $30-something pot that really set the guy off. Not sure why that has to engender so much anger. So what if I knew exactly what my opponent had on that hand and made a calculated move to try to school someone who doesn't know not to overplay longshot hands against hands that are clearly well ahead. Is that really enough to set someone off on a two day tilt-rage? Wow. I guess some people are even more unstable than me out there. All I know is, I couldn't be happier if an opponent started moving allin for huge sums of money in massive cash game overbets when I've been betting and raising. I imagine I would stack that person even faster than I stacked this other blogger the other night. I mean, so you lost a significant portion of your full tilt bankroll at that game. Big deal. How many other times have you busted yourself by playing 73s and 52o and hands like that? Tens? Hundreds? Something tells me the guy will come up with some more money soon and will be back at the tables playing his particular brand of "poker" before we know it. Which I look forward to btw. Immensely.

Anyways ignoring all the silliness and anger in the comments and from the tiltmonkey's blog, which I think I will let speak for itself and leave at that, Jordan made some interesting comments about collusion and just generally about people chatting at the poker table that I found interesting and thought I would write about today.

First off, here is the hand history of the hand where this tilty blogger busted for the last time the other night:

Full Tilt Poker Game #2707052363: Table Hidden Quail - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:16:37 ET - 2007/06/19
Seat 1: bayne_s ($239.40)
Seat 2: RecessRampage ($190.60)
Seat 3: GimmeFiction ($261.25)
Seat 4: hoyazo ($433.25)
Seat 5: Victim ($137.45)
Seat 6: steamingdonkey1 ($234.60)
Seat 7: MAROMB78 ($236.35), is sitting out
Seat 8: TwistedDonkey ($229.05)
Seat 9: yobabysdaddy ($168.90)
GimmeFiction posts the small blind of $1
hoyazo posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Victim [Qh Qd]
Victim: oh in some tournament?
Victim has 15 seconds left to act
Victim raises to $7
steamingdonkey1 folds
RecessRampage: no in cash game
TwistedDonkey folds
yobabysdaddy calls $7
bayne_s folds
Victim: oh... was that $25 NL?
RecessRampage raises to $31
GimmeFiction folds
hoyazo has 15 seconds left to act
hoyazo folds
RecessRampage: dude, I don't have details
Victim has 15 seconds left to act
Victim has requested TIME
hoyazo: foldy foldy
hoyazo: ATo no good here

RecessRampage: lol
Victim raises to $137.45, and is all in
yobabysdaddy folds
RecessRampage: lmao
RecessRampage calls $106.45
Victim shows [Qh Qd]
RecessRampage shows [Ac Ad]
*** FLOP *** [2h 4c 5h]
*** TURN *** [2h 4c 5h] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [2h 4c 5h Jc] [Kc]
Victim shows a pair of Queens
RecessRampage shows a pair of Aces
RecessRampage wins the pot ($281.90) with a pair of Aces
MiamiDon (Observer): oops
Victim is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $284.90 | Rake $3
Board: [2h 4c 5h Jc Kc]
Seat 1: bayne_s didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: RecessRampage (button) showed [Ac Ad] and won ($281.90) with a pair of Aces
Seat 3: GimmeFiction (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: hoyazo (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Victim showed [Qh Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: steamingdonkey1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: MAROMB78 is sitting out
Seat 8: TwistedDonkey didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: yobabysdaddy folded before the Flop

***

On several occasions in blog comments Jordan refers to inappropriate chat that occurred in this hand, and to inappropriately "goading" other players to make certain plays. I guess I just don't see what is wrong in this hand. You can see the chat above. Did anyone say anything in appropriate there? I'd be interested to know what it was if anyone out there thinks someone said something that was "wrong" in some way from a poker perspective. I mean, Alan and Victim had just been discussing a previous hand where Victim had pushed allin with ATo, so when Victim raised and then Alan reraised, I typed in my usual "foldy foldy, ATo no good here." If you think that is somehow inappropriate chat at a blogger cash table, then I'm not sure what to think. I don't see what's inappropriate there. I haven't seen Jordan play a whole lot of blogger cash recently, and maybe that's part of the problem here, because this kind of thing goes on all the time at these tables, and it's just fine IMO. In most cases it's the whole reason we're playing at these tables to begin with. It's fun and we're here to chat it up and have a good time.

Am I somehow to blame for Victim's stacking there with the QQ? Am I somehow to blame, as Victim claims on his "blog", for Victim's allin reraise with the QQ there, just because I typed in "foldy foldy, ATo no good here" in the table chat? You can't really believe that, can you anyone out there? Anyone who thinks that was inappropriate, I would love to understand why.

Jordan also made the general comment here yesterday that "Even in friendly blogger games, its extremely wrong to tell someone how to act, even if you are doing it in a kidding way."

I don't think I agree with this statement, at least not in its generality, and I would love to know if you out there feel differently. I mean, for starters, I 100% agree in many specific instances it is wrong to comment. For example, I'm playing at a random non-blogger live cash table in some casino, and I limp from utg, some guy raises from MP, and then I reraise him preflop when the action gets back to me for all the rest of my chips on a massive overraise. The guy is clearly thinking of calling, and then some guy at the table who has played a lot of hands with me but doesn't know the other guy yells out "Hey donkey, Hoy limped utg and then reraised over the top allin, he clearly has pocket Aces so GET OUT!". The guy thinks and then folds his hand, flipping up pocket Queens to show what he's folding. That would piss me off, and it would be completely inappropriate in my view. So in that sense I think Jordan is clearly correct, and in fact I really can't see entertaining any argument that says otherwise. That's not proper poker conduct IMO, period.

However, Jordan's statement completely ignores the situation of a player who is currently involved in a hand trying to influence another player currently involved in the hand to make a certain play, an omission which I'm not sure was intentional or not. So, for example, if I have the nuts, is it "wrong" of me somehow to pause for 3 minutes before I smooth call an opponent's bet on the flop, just to try to convince him to bet or call more chips off to me later in the hand due to my weak act when I am in fact stronger than strong? To me, that's just poker. Great poker, if I don't say so myself. Similarly, is it wrong of me to type "Oh well I'll just take a chance" into the chat before I reraise allin preflop in an online poker game, when I know in fact that I am holding pocket Aces and will be dominatingly ahead of any hand my opponent might call with? Is that somehow inappropriate activity at the poker table in any of your minds? Because if you say it is, then #1 every single blogger I know has been guilty of this from time to time, and #2, you're wrong. Deception, trickery, and goading an opponent into calling are all part of poker, and to suggest that telling someone else at the table how to act is "extremely wrong" is I think too flip at best, and probably just a downright inaccurate statement overall. Do you people out there disagree with me on this?

I also think Jordan's statement is too extreme in that I think the line tends to get blurred when you're playing with guys you know, and/or sitting in a friendly game. And I certainly think the last part of Jordan's statement, "even if you are doing it in a kidding way", is a fuzzy line at best.

For example, I sat at the mgm poker room at a 1-2 table for more than 20 hours over two days last weekend in Las Vegas, and during most of that time we probably had an average of 7 or 8 bloggers around a 10-person table, making for a lot of fun times across the board, but also a lot of table chatter amongst the group as some of us knew each other, and even among the strangers since we were playing in a very friendly, jokey kind of a game. There were numerous hands where I made a big preflop raise, it folded around to a guy who had limped across the table, and he had a conversation with another blogger sitting next to him about his decision before folding his hand. So what? That didn't bother me in the least. Some of those times I had a monster and really wanted him to call. Others of those times I was bluffing out my ass and really wanted him to fold. The other blogger dude didn't know what I had in my hand any more than the stranger guy did. It didn't bother me, and I don't think it violated some written or unwritten rule of poker in that context. It was a friendly game, there was tons of table chatter going on and I not only thought that was ok, but I enjoyed the chatter. In fact, as I've written about previously, that kind of chat, analysis and comaraderie made the weekend as far as I'm concerned.

Similarly, there were times at that mgm cash table where some blogger at the other end of the table raised big preflop after two limpers from our end, where I know we then proceeded to have some discussion at our end of the table about what the other guy likely had, including with two or more players at our end who were still involved in the hand. Since none of us really knew what the other guy had, and it was openly a friendly, chatty game to all the players involved, this didn't bother anyone at the table and again, I say that sort of stuff is a lot of what made playing with my friends so much fun.

And as far as telling players what to do at the table "in a kidding way", I just don't think anyone is going to convince me that it's wrong of me to say something like "Uh oh, better fold that Hammer!" when a guy gets reraised preflop at a blogger cash table. It's not inappropriate to say that. It's a joke, it's funny and it's enjoyed by everyone at the table. So what if the other guy has pocket Aces and was hoping for a call. I agree that it's a fine line, but IMO it should be just fine for someone to jokingly suggest that another player fold a hand to a raise, in particular at a friendly, jokey table full of friendly, jokey guys.

Lastly, I should also note that in the tiltmonkey's blog I see the following quote in the comments:

"I do remember your consoling chat after the hand, although it did take the back seat having been in the midst of all the digs directed towards me; all of which I think were entirely uncalled for, hence my complaints."

I will say this once, and a lot of other bloggers were there who can confirm or deny my impression, but the "digs" at this table were nonexistent at first, until the tiltmonkey blogger himself took it upon himself to refer to me as an "idiot tournament player" in the chat, after which point a number of the players at the table and on the rail escalated things (escalation which I was barely even a participant in, btw). Now, I can talk smack with the best of 'em, and I surely didn't mind in the slightest, tiniest little bit that comment directed at me. I enjoyed it, because it showed the extreme frustration and tilt that my move in that hand had created in the tilty blogger. So the comment calling me an idiot didn't faze me in the least, and I didn't mention it, complain about it, or even remember it until I saw it listed in a hand history on the tiltmonkey's blog this morning. But how does a guy complain in his blog about "digs directed at him", all of which being "entirely uncalled for", after he makes that statement above to another guy at the table and that statement is what started the "digs" to begin with? That my friends is what we call L-A-M-E.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, right? Nobody asked this tilter to start calling people names at the table, and in the end he showed how little he can take it in despite being very willing to dish it out first. Nobody cared about the names he started throwing around at the table either, don't get me wrong, but people shouldn't have to read him crying in his blog the next morning about uncalled for digs at him when he was the one calling people names in the first place and turning the chat from regular, fun and funny blogger chat into tilting rude commentary about other people's games.

Now go and pay this guy the money you owe him please. Hasn't several months been enough time by now?

See you tonight in the Mookie (10pm ET on full tilt, password as always is "vegas1"), and don't forget to re-read this post from my blog the other day before you head into tonight's latest BBT tournament. And for tonight's special bounty, anyone who manages to bust current BBT crusher Bayne within the first five players out today will receive a $11 transfer from me via full tilt to buy you in to next week's Mookie tournament.

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Tuesday, June 19, 2007

MATH Recap, and More on Cash Games

This week saw a whopping 55 runners sit down to the MATH tournament to play for their piece of a $1320 prize pool, a new record for Mondays at the Hoy and another $110 added to the burgeoning prize pool for the BBT challenge, including end-of-year payouts and that big freeroll tournament to be played in late July. I was especially happy to see a number of those players around the middle of the pack on the BBT leaderboard joining in on Monday night, in particular those of you who are near the top 50 spots on the BBT leaderboard threshold and/or the 20 events played threshold in order to get in to that freeroll. With still 6 BBT tournaments left (1 MATH, 2 Mookies, 2 Riverchasers and 1 Big Game), there is plenty of time to get yourself over one or both of those humps to ensure your participation in what I am going to guess will end up as close to a $2000 freeroll by the time all is said and done. Figure on 50 or 60 players and a $2000 prize pool with no buyin, and that is gonna make for some bigass free payouts for a number of lucky winners, so get in and qualify now while you still can!

Anyways this week's MATH tournament was a hard-fought battle as usual, replete with the customary suckouts and bad beats that full tilt seems to have gone a little overboard with over the past several days, from reading a number of bloggers' accounts of the past weekend's activity on the virtual felt. With 55 players, the top 28 would receive those precious BBT points (meaning that Blinders busted out approximately 7 seconds after #29 hit the rail of course), and the top 7 players at the final table would receive cash payouts and either get on to the 2007 MATH moneyboard for the first time or increase their position on the board.

First off, I was pleased to see that 3 of the first 4 players eliminated from the MATH this week were top ten BBT guys, the very guys I wrote about last Friday in my quasi-rant post after a hellish week of work and dealing with some incredible donkish personalities at my "other" job, the one that pays the bills. It is always heartening to feel like I'm actually being read, understood and appreciated with the drivel I'm spitting out here at the blog on a daily basis, and to see Bayne, who has basically all but sewn up the top BBT spot after last week's big Riverchasers win, be the gigli for the evening just warms my heart. So Bayne, Don and IslandBum all went down in the first few minutes of the tournament, and I like to think that the roadmap I gave right here to beating all of those guys just last Friday contributed somewhat to that occurrence. Not that I don't like those guys, because frankly I like everyone in the top 10 very much (Waffles is out of the top 10 for now, right? I keed. Kudos to the Waffler actually for finishing in 32nd place in the newly-created 50-50 tournament last night on full tilt), but since I'm not in the top 10, I'm psyched whenever those guys of whom I am quite jealous have a tough time holding on to their positions. And I am pleased to report that not only did a few of the guys I wrote about on Friday get donked out very early in the latest Hoy tournament, but precisely zero of them cashed or even made the final table in this week's event, with Astin putting up the best showing of that group before busting in 10th place right on the final table bubble. In the end Astin still outlasted me, as I went out in 15th place after Fishy McDonk, a guy who's game I respect quite a bit, called my short-stacked preflop allin with his KQo, a hand he deserved to lose with but unfortunately I was pushing with two lower cards and Fishy took me out. Still, given how crappy I ran through the tournament I can't complain about a 15th place finish out of 55 runners. It's more BBT points and in the end I outlasted I think everyone ahead of me on the list other than Astin, so that's all good.

I was able to watch most of the rest of the tournament, at least passively, and here are your eventual cashers in this week's MATH:

In 7th place, cashing for $52.80 and getting his name onto the 2007 MATH moneyboard for the first time is relative newcomer Rake Feeder -- Rake, if you have a blog please leave the link in the comments and I will post it up here.

Cashing in 6th place for $79.20 was resident pushmonkey Pushmonkey72 who played the hammer a few times and actually made my life difficult on a few occasions last night when I had the opportunity to play with him.

5th place in this week's MATH tournament and $105.60 cash goes to Chad, and although I didn't see how he busted, hopefully it was by some vicious suckout for the King of the Donks who I am still amazed final tabled that donkfest knows as the nightly 26k guaranteed on full tilt three times in one frigging week.

Heffmike finished this week's tournament in 4th place, winning $145.20 for his efforts, although I did not get to play with him at all during the evening so I can't really comment on anything he did or saw. I do know that heffmike also makes his first appearance on the 2007 MATH moneyboard with this week's solid finish, as he does not usually have the chance to play this event, so welcome to the list, Mike!

Coming in 3rd place this week, cashing for $198 even, is Jordan from Highonpoker, fresh off of last week's big 3k+ win. Jordan is on a major roll lately, and his online roll is flush with cash just now, so look for him to make some noise in the remaining BBT tournaments and maybe make a big run to the finish line in the challenge.

$277.20 and 2nd place honors this week go to Fishy McDonk, who not only has the dubious honor of eliminating me from the tournament but who also dropped an awesome hammer on me early in the event, so you know the guy was feeling it early and often. In the end he entered heads-up play at around a 2-to-1 chip deficit, and you certainly can't blame him for eventually getting it allin heads up preflop with his TT, which unfortunately lost a race with AK and that was all she wrote to land Fishy in 2nd place overall on the week.

And this week's MATH winner, taking down his first-ever Hoy title as well as $462 cash money in his full tilt account is cmitch, who put on a clinic in the late stages of play last night, including playing slow and steady with the chip lead in heads-up play against Fishy before waiting for AK preflop to get all his chips into the middle.

And now what you've all been waiting for, the updated 2007 MATH moneyboard including this week's tournament results:

1. Hoyazo $849
2. VinNay $775
3. cmitch $774
4. Bayne_s $683
5. NewinNov $677
6. Iggy $641
7. Astin $616
8. Columbo $606
9. Tripjax $561
10. Julius Goat $507
11. mtnrider81 $492
12. Chad $485
13. scots_chris $474
14. Fuel55 $458
15. Otis $429
16. Miami Don $402
17. Lucko21 $389
18. Jordan $382
19. Blinders $379
20. Pirate Wes $372
21. IslandBum1 $357
22. ChapelncHill $353
23. Zeem $330
24. Mike_Maloney $326
25 oossuuu754 $312
26. Waffles $294
27. Wigginx $288
28. ScottMc $282
29. Fishy McDonk $277
30. Manik79 $252
31. Wippy1313 $248
32. Byron $234
33. RecessRampage $224
34. wwonka69 $216
35. Omega_man_99 $210
36. Pushmonkey72 $208
37. lightning36 $205
38. Buddydank $197
39. bartonfa $180
40. 23Skidoo $176
41. Santa Clauss $170
42. Iakaris $162
42. Smokkee $162
44. cemfredmd $156
44. NumbBono $156
46. lester000 $147
47. Heffmike $145
48. DDionysus $137
49. Patchmaster $135
50. InstantTragedy $129
51. Ganton516 $114
52. Gracie $94
52. Scurvydog $94
54. Shag0103 $84
55. PhinCity $80
55. jeciimd $80
57. Alceste $71
57. dbirider $71
59. Easycure $67
60. Rake Feeder $53

OK so we are now up to 60 players who have recorded at least one money cash in the MATH during 2007, which I believe extends through 24 MATH tournaments so far this year. Three of this week's cashers, Rake Feeder, Heffmike and Fishy McDonk, are making their first appearances of the year on the moneyboard, while pushmonkey72 and Jordan are adding to previous entries on the list, and cmitch is the week's big winner, soaring up to third place overall on the list after this week's big win.

And can somebody please tell me who that is up on top of the moneyboard? Who is this guy?

OK in other news, my cash woes continued last night at $400 nlh 6-max, though not to the absurd degree from this weekend, as I once again ended the night down around a buyin after losing not one, not two but three hands where I got allin on the flop when I was a 65% favorite facing just a primary draw from my opponent. I lost all three of those hands, costing me more than two full buyins to put a negative spin on what otherwise would have left last night's cash sessions solidly in the green. Running bad in cash games is...oh...only about 517 times more frustrating to me than running bad in tournaments. And don't get me wrong -- as a mtt guy going through a prolonged down streak is incredibly painful to endure. But the overall damage to my bankroll isn't even close to what it is after a much shorter downturn in the cash games. It just sucks to be one of those guys who is constantly getting in ahead, both in cash games or in tournaments, but in cash games losing three 2-to-1 favorites in a night can turn a +$800 session into a -$400 session in an awfully big hurry.

At least I had the blogger cash table to fall back on, which was a 1-2 full ring table on full tilt that Weak and Bayne had put together sometime early during the MATH. Despite buying in for the max, and having to reload for another $100 or so in total after one bad play early on, and then after running into the nuts when my KK lost to A5 on a miracle 234 flop after the guy had called my preflop raise with A5s, I ended up more than a buyin on the night at this table, as is just about always the case any time I sit down to play cash with the bloggers. It's not that bloggers are weak-tight, but if anything I find most bloggers to be over-aggro as opposed to over-tight. Maybe that's just me, or maybe that's just the way they play against me, I don't know. But what I do know is that we managed to tilt another blogger at that table again last night, actually the same guy we've tilted on a few occasions in the recent past, and I'm left wondering, why does this guy even ever sit down with us? I mean, he was really pissy with me yesterday, and I never even did anything or said anything that should get him that way.

You know what I did? I pushed allin at one point on a massive overbet after he clearly was calling-stationing me preflop and again on the flop with an obviously inferior hand. So what of it? I see a guy who is willing to call off his chips in a hugely -EV fashion just for the chance of hitting some miracle draw to stack me. Sure I can keep taking his chips little by little while he makes inadvisable calls, and I do that and did that often last night. But eventually I know the guy is going to draw out on me, and when by his play he makes it so obvious that he ain't got shit but a pussy little draw, sometimes I get sick of the constant chasing because eventually, just like with that A5s hand earlier in the night, he's going to hit one of the miracle draws. When I have such a clear read on him that he's got nothing, why not just push allin once in a while and make him really pay to chase that pussyshit draw? So I did it. I think what really gets to this guy is that I basically always know the exact two cards he has in his hand, unless he just makes a bad preflop play and then flops the nuts in an unknowable way like with the A5 hand. Some people just can't stand playing with guys who can read them like a book I guess. All I know is, at a $200 max table, I cashed out with nearly 5 hundy in front of me, and he got stacked. Twice. Again. This is the same guy who I stacked a month or two ago by calling a horrible out-of-nowhere river bluff with just my top pair decent kicker, and he tilted that night too. Like I said, some people just can't take it playing with someone who always knows what their hole cards are, down to the suits and everything. Ha ha I love it.

Anyways speaking of cash games, before I go today I wanted to link you to this post by the Surly Poker Gnome, who when it comes right down to it really knows his cash game shit. Go read that post if you have any interest in knowing where it's at with cash games. His point is 100% right on the mark in every way, and I can't believe I didn't see the post until earlier this week, but he hits it spot on -- you honestly don't need to be anywhere near the best player at the table in order to play cash poker profitably. You don't even need to be above average among the players at the table (though it certainly helps). Through the use of Poker Tracker, it can be very easy to go find the true donkeys at whatever limit you're playing, and go and sit down with them. Preferably on your immediate right, if at all possible. I could make money sitting at a table with 4 stars, myself and one abject donkey. I guarantee I could, again especially if the donkey is on my right. I've sat in plenty of poker games, both live and online, where all of us who knew what we were doing were basically targeting just the one or two donkeys at the table, and that can be done perfectly profitably by several players at the table at once, all while those good players are mostly staying out of each other's way. This is something I've read about in numerous poker books, but until you've lived it in actual cash games for actual, meaningful money on the line, time and time again, you often don't realize just how true it really is. As the Gnome says, making money at cash isn't about being the best player at the table; it's about finding the biggest donkeys, sitting with them in good relative position to your own, and exploiting them. Go try it one of these days and see for yourself.

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